Sunday, December 21, 2014

"I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true." (RE-POST)

It may be, but some perspective is necessary. On Friday, 12/12/14, this item appeared on a local Facebook page called Lake Worth Community:
The penalty referenced is for a second degree misdemeanor, the same penalty one would get, in theory, for riding a bike or skateboard on a sidewalk in the city. Those signs were at the beach, but came down when the city realized that they were confusing and actually directed bikes to areas that were unsafe. One example would be encouraging bikes to ride behind cars parked, facing in, at a 90 degree angle. So, some common sense was applied there. 

It sounds like we need some additional common sense to be applied in this area. Some seem to have a problem with "profane language" being banned from the Lake Worth Pier and the Snook Islands recreational area. There are already decorum standards for City Commission meetings. You can find those here on the city's website. The standards appear below:
Those commenting on Lake Worth Community are referencing a website posted on April 5, 2012, almost three years ago. Three years ago does not qualify as "new." The Internet can breed people that become experts when it comes to embellishment. For instance, read this warning posted on Lake Worth Community to evacuate the City due to the coming controlled burn at one of the city's vacant homes

So let's simmer down about the implications of what is actually going on here. Research actually takes time and effort. The Palm Beach County Park rules, that would apply to John Prince Park, are more restrictive than even Lake Worth's rules:
Sec. 21-39. - Noise. (Ord. No. 04-022, § 24, 8-17-04): No person shall make such loud, excessive, unnecessary noise so as to create a nuisance in any county park. Noise shall be considered a nuisance where it produces actual physical discomfort and annoyance to persons of ordinary sensibilities.
When you're dealing with other local sources on the Internet, and that includes blogs, including some comments left on this one, and Facebook pages along with other sources, it's important to remember that many times hype trumps fact. For example, here are two excerpts from comments on Lake Worth Community's 'profanity' rules post (I will not identify the poster):
Lake Worth City Hall's obsessed with behavior modification, just like all authoritarian regimes are.
Huh? And then there is this:
Are these the new rules for Lake Worth, N. Korea, and they got posted here by accident? I didn't know there was a Lake Worth in N. Korea.
So we're to conclude, from a 3-year-old website, that our City of Lake Worth is now an "authoritarian" regime and akin to a North Korean city government? Here's some North Korean propaganda, let's compare and contrast.
Lake Worth is a medium-sized  municipality in Palm Beach County. There are 38 municipalities in Palm Beach County. For those of you who see Lake Worth, a City of just over 35,000, as a crucial link in some grand conspiracy...I say, "some perspective is in order". 

If anyone in Lake Worth, a resident or non-resident, would walk up and down the Snook Island floating dock yelling George Carlin's Seven Dirty Words and a Sheriff deputy appeared you could be arrested and charged with violating Florida Statute 877.03 which states:
Breach of the peace; disorderly conduct.—Whoever commits such acts as are of a nature to corrupt the public morals, or outrage the sense of public decency, or affect the peace and quiet of persons who may witness them, or engages in brawling or fighting, or engages in such conduct as to constitute a breach of the peace or disorderly conduct, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Lake Worth's rule prohibiting "profane language" seems a reminder to park visitors to engage in proper conduct and to not "outrage the sense of public decency". Something most citizens would consider common sense. 
As far as the invocation issue, we can now report that the video views are less frequent and the hysteria over that issue seems to be calming down. I think that the perspective of time will allow us to see what happened there with a little more wisdom and understanding.


M Artie said...

Facebook site Lake Worth Community is paranoia central. Really a shame they use Lake Worth in the title. Lake Worth Voice is a decent Facebook page. They have a fella named Jason Maki who monitors the wackadoodles.

Anonymous said...

I think some people have been fooled into thinking that 'Lake Worth Community' fb page is one of the regular spots people in the city can get normal information.

It is run by local nut Suzanne Squire AKA by the screen name 'Weetha Peeble'. She also likes to call herself 'The Constitution Lady', which is quite laughable.

Anything I've seen her rant on and assess is pretty much always wrong. She particularly hates the NAPC and has many strong feelings about how things should be, but does absolutely nothing about it other than pound her keyboard and make pointless circling rants.

It's actually quite sad.

z said...

facebook pages like lake worth community are police State tools for mind control simpleminded who go there cast nets on comrades top posters there work for the State for free the difference between a prostitute and a whore

Anonymous said...

^ agreed. Tammy Pansa and Mary Lindsay are just as bad. People need to get off the computers and get REALLY lives

Anonymous said...

One thing is for sure 11:57 I would not be critical of other people "REEALLY lives" You need to get off your lame ass and learn some grammar.

Anonymous said...

Lake Worth Voice is comprised of bullies and Lake Worth Community attracts loonies. Sort of a microcosm of the city...

Matthew Dyke said...

I'm flattered, really, that you posted my comments on the OLD ordinance from a couple years ago. First of all, you start off by making this claim that "I saw it on the internet so it must be true." Then, your first sentence is, "It may be, but some perspective is necessary." Usually, when someone says, mockingly, that "Oh, you heard it on the internet so it must be true, right?" -- they proceed to show how it's not true. But you concede to the fact that it is true, but it's just a good thing. So, how's the fact that this is not NEW (article dated 4/2012) the issue? Has the ordinance for "profane language" been repealed?
And when the people of a town aren't aware of an ordinance like this from 2012, a post on facebook with a date of April 2012 isn't discredited. It's still RELATIVELY new. 2 years ago isn't ancient history. Most people don't know that they could go to jail and/or pay $500 for the crime of "profane language."
You talk about the 2nd degree misdemeanor being the same offense given for riding a skateboard in an attempt to deflate the situation. Nice try, but most people that have common sense would instantly recognize the problem with an ordinance like this. You reference FL statutes that have been on the books forever: a Noise ordinance, and the one about "disorderly conduct." You attempt to conflate the issue at hand with these two ordinances. If one were to do what you suggested as a hypothetical, running down a floating dock screaming anything, these two ordinances are violated potentially. The "profane language" is not what you'd be cited for, except when in the last couple years, there is this 3rd ordinance which would be violated, because of the words used. This ordinance mentions "profane language." You talk to your readers like they can't figure this out. Anyone with any common sense can see your arguments all fall flat. I didn't know there was some kind of consensus view that we should have laws against any kind of language. This ordinance is about the choice of words, not the volume. Potentially, a sheriff's deputy could overhear a person at a normal volume and cite them. This 2nd degree misdemeanor could then result in a $500 fine and/or 60 days in jail. You think that's reasonable? I bet Kim Jung Un agrees with you. And now for the issue of "some perspective," as you mentioned more than once that this was necessary. Apparently, you weren't talking about historical perspective. If one were to introduce historical perspective into the discussion, then the definition of the word authoritarian would gain a lot of context in this discussion. Why do your readers need a youtube video to show them what authoritarian regimes do? How is that going to supplant years of reading and learning history? Do authoritarian regimes not seek to limit speech? Is it sensible to limit "profane language," but not political dissent? Do you see the problem in terms of legal precedent? Slippery slope? Anything? Here's the definition of the word authoritarian, according to
Word Origin



favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom:
"authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes."


of or relating to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.


exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others:
"an authoritarian parent."


a person who favors or acts according to authoritarian principles.

Restricting the use of certain words would qualify as authoritarian, would it not?

Matthew Dyke said...

"For those of you who see Lake Worth, a City of just over 35,000, as a crucial link in some grand conspiracy...I say, "some perspective is in order". " --Where did you come up with this? Who said anything on the facebook posts about this ridiculous ordinance being related to a "grand conspiracy"? What a worn-out old tactic to attempt to discredit by using key terms like "conspiracy," trying to portray this facebook group as nuts. Ad-hominem attacks and character assassination attempts are tell-tale signs of not being very willing to debate the issues. This blog article of yours just dances around what you admit to be true after all: The ordinance still stands after 2 years and you've got no good arguments for this. Most citizens with common sense know this is a 1st amendment issue, not one about volume, or disorderly conduct. The comparisons of a legislative body at any level of gov't that would pass such an ordinance to N. Korean authoritarian regimes is appropriate and hilarious to point out. Doesn't mean I think this is literally like N. Korea, just that you're espousing the kind of ideology that Kim Jung Un embraces and espouses as well.

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Matthew Dyke said... "In China today, political dissidents, whistleblowers and government petitioners are being labeled mentally ill, incarcerated in psychiatric wards and subjected to electroshock—a tactic reminiscent of Soviet Russia and the alliance between psychiatry and the police state.

This practice is not limited to Russia, China, Cuba or Uzbekistan, all of which currently employ psychiatric incarceration of citizens for political protest. In the UK, a specialized unit called the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre has been granted the authority to incarcerate anyone who has given inappropriate or threatening communications to a member of government into a psychiatric ward.

The assessment teams are made up of police, psychiatrists and psychologists who have been given the authority to evaluate, accuse and detain anyone against threat into a mental facility — indefinitely.Click here to see PBS special report on political dissidents and petitoners in China who are being sentenced to psychiatric hospitals:

Hey-is that a black helicopter!!!! said...

Your friend using the run-on sentences and illogical conclusions either needs a SmartMeter or needs to have his SmartMeter adjusted by a trained NSA operative.

Anonymous said...

For anon @11:57:

Mary and Tammy just as bad?! I don't think you would find a reasonable minded person in the City who would agree to that.

Those two are out putting the City first and doing things to improve our town. They contribute their time and energy to make Lake Worth a better place. What do you do? For that matter, what does S. Squire do? (maybe you can answer those 2 questions with one answer)

Neither of them are rattling off insane conspiracy theories, attacking everything positive or pounding their keyboards with nonsensical BS rants.

You are clearly not a rational thinker, and have poor judgement ability.

I'll be waiting to hear about all the things you do to help our city.

Mary Lindsey said...

Dear Anon at 3:42, Thank You for setting the record straight about Tammy Pansa. Besides being a homeowner and all that entails, she is also employed full time and STILL she's out volunteering her time almost every weekend painting homes and improving neighborhoods. She is the first to step up and help; usually without being asked and sometimes without being thanked. She is cheerful, positive and I've NEVER heard her utter a unkind word about anybody.

Mark A. Parrilla said...

I wish Lake Worth would do like other municipalities and forbid the name of our city to be used on any Facebook pages or websites created by just anyone. The city should have total control of who uses its name so as to send a clear message about who we are. It does send the wrong message to so many who don't know that almost all the Facebook pages with our city name in it are not created and managed by city staff but by any Joe or Jane Blow that wants to drag our city's name through the mud or promote their own business. I hope we move toward that SOON, to avoid the confusion. It is disgusting that people who give so much of themselves selflessly for the progress and improvement of our city are attacked so often on blogs by anonymous cowards who do not have the testicular or ovarian fortitude to sign their name to their thoughts. As for Mathew Dyke, if that is his real name, Dude you seriously need a hobby!

Merry Christmas,
Mark A. Parrilla

Anonymous said...

Matthew Dyke, I was in line at the Utility Dept on Thursday afternoon when you were paying your bill. You went off on a rant about the Boston Tea Party and Wes Blackman. Both of us that were patiently waiting in this line, we're confused of your reasoning with Wes' story here and after reading your drivel here, proves just how mentally unstable you are. Seek help.

Anonymous said...

Mark Parrilla, are you still working at Mulligans?

Mark A. Parrilla said...

I left Mulligan's more then two years ago now. Did not want to stay employed somewhere that did not value and respect human rights.


Anonymous said...

Both of these LW blogs are hilarious.

On the other one there is a post which pretty much equates Christopher Hitchens (by association, seeing he was an atheist-or his preferred term, anti-theist) with good old boys like Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer!

What a town, by golly.